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icon5.gif  ULTIMATE NEWBY QUESTIONS LIST [message #61101] Fri, 03 April 2009 19:01 Go to next message
himagain is currently offline himagain  Australia
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Registered: August 2008
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Hi people,
After 6 months on-and-off struggles with Hyper/LX and battling with this archaic forum program, here is an experience-based list for the way to lessen the load on admin here and remove the frustration that new users of both pro hosters and end users suffer from and which loses so many triers and stops LXLABS REALLY booming.

I would have long ago quit myself, except for program itself and its superior capabilities technically.
The main problem is simple:
No pathway information.
Support here is great - if YOU ALREADY know the question to ask! Sad

A solution - THE solution:
DOCUMENTATION


Key question always: WHO IS THIS FOR?

1. INTRO TO LXADMIN
1.1. For End Users
1.2 For pro Hosters
1.3 For wannabe Hosters

2. INTRO TO HYPERVM
(Repeat as above)

I've already seen some great helpers here (Drank, for 1) who could help with this one vital shortcoming of LXLABS: DOCS.
Not tech docs, but simple How-to's.

Making walk-thru "videos" is such a snap today (look at http://virtualmin.com ) the only real competitor I see after Cpanel.
If *I* could only work out what things do and when to use/not use
Hypervm/HIB/Lxadmin, I'd do it. Smile

E.G.s
WHO IS THIS FOR?
I've only just found out that Hypervm is not really necessary(?) to only run LXAsmin/HIB.

We have 2 distinct groups here:
RESELLERS (Newby and pro)
END-USERS (Newby & Pro)

They need to be SEPARATED

But without systematic pathing this mess will continue.

Simple screen walk-thrus - voice over would be nice.
Doc 1:
"Who Is what For?"
Video 1:
"How 2 install Hypervm"
Video2:
"How to install Lxadmin or HIB"
Video 3:
(THE BIG ONE!!!!)
"How to Setup your END USER VPS Account".

Example: ME! All I want to do is to IMPLEMENT the Account that my Hosting Provider has supplied with my VPS.
But: all I've got is lotsa funny buttons and warning messages.
almost no popups that make sense to a USER (not geek)

As a User/self hoster, I need a simple onscreen walk-thru of how to get started:
1. How to add my initial IPs and Domains
2. How to check them.
3. Where to upload what files.
4. How to install scripts

99.9% of all the potential out there is the end-user who needs a simple set of options and COMPREHENSIVE how-tos for those everyday simple demands. Most buttons should even be hidden under an option as "EXPERT USER ONLY".
And NEVER tell end users to use the dreaded, deadly CLI.

My own long user experience (and great frustration) with Servers over the years has always been frustrated by .... documentation. Either non-existent or worse, written in policeman-style Geek.

I have only persisted because I ultimately want to control as much of the system I use (and thus security) as possible.
Knowledge is power... but only if usable Smile
But right around now, a simple shared hosting with Cpanel is starting to look good again.... :-{
HELP!

I will add personal queries to this Forum shortly which might help us really get something going here.

Cheers!

What a package it is! Now,if only I could get it to work for me.....
Re: ULTIMATE NEWBY QUESTIONS LIST [message #61107 is a reply to message #61101] Fri, 03 April 2009 19:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
arthurthornton is currently offline arthurthornton  United States
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I second this request!

Re: ULTIMATE NEWBY QUESTIONS LIST [message #61112 is a reply to message #61101] Fri, 03 April 2009 20:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
medic is currently offline medic  United States
Messages: 38
Registered: October 2008
Location: Indianapolis, Indiana
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consider this a third request!!

I actually prefer cPanel over LXAdmin due to the fact that the documentation is much cleaner, easier to read, and alots of how to's out there on how to accomplish things.

I still have faith in LXAdmin, but i get frustrated because where stuff is logically located, isn't so much so in LXAdmin.

thanks for providing such a great idea!
Re: ULTIMATE NEWBY QUESTIONS LIST [message #62080 is a reply to message #61101] Mon, 13 April 2009 01:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
himagain is currently offline himagain  Australia
Messages: 46
Registered: August 2008
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Hi there people!
Please don't just read this, add your experience - particularly with "gotchas" - those little things that aren't so clear or are hidden or worse - bugs, like the %default_domain% one just fixed.

I've just experienced a great idea by Xara volunteer support called Google Docs http://tinyurl.com/ce9dqr a lot of you people might find it very useful. We could make it universally collaborative.

But easier still is to use a video walk-thru of onscreen action.
There is a simple one at http://virtualmin.com on how to get started - and that is the key ALWAYS - a BASIC how to get started in basic things.
A first class one at http://xara.com, a simple "beginner how to"

It certainly does not need tech experts!
REPEAT: It does not need experts!
The very best teachers will be people who have gone through the initial pain, confusion and frustration that all non-geeks go through and while it is fresh ...... pass it on.

LXLABS is a great system. But exactly like Linux - for years and years NO DOCS. That made Bill Gates a billionaire.

Go here and get a free excellent video/demo making program:
http://camstudio.org/ Shocked
Then practice making simple follow-me tutorials on how you did it. Very Happy

I promise I will too if ever I get my VPS up and running! Embarassed
Re: ULTIMATE NEWBY QUESTIONS LIST [message #63121 is a reply to message #61101] Thu, 30 April 2009 11:51 Go to previous message
MoathS is currently offline MoathS  Jordan
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nice ,thx
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